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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: 2HOW on July 16, 2011, 07:39:07 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/user/TheNSSF#p/u/0/uaez-qc39wk
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That 50 = 200 yard thing is the same thing they teach in military training.
(http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/BigCheeseStick/poodle_and_cheetah.jpg?t=1310873143)
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Ok, that's just funny right there.
FQ13 who is ROFL
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Maybe this is stupid, but why ar15's called poodle shooters? Did someone get caught killing a poodle with an ar?
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Maybe this is stupid, but why ar15's called poodle shooters? Did someone get caught killing a poodle with an ar?
I can't kill a pig with mine according to the guide, so what else am I supposed to shoot? Hell, I dropped seven bills on the thing, I want to shoot something! ;D
FQ13
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Coyotes aren't endangered. Blast some! ;D
Regarding the 50 = 200, it's good enough to get pretty close on paper but truly zeroed for 200 means shooting at 200 IMHO.
For my guns, all platforms from 223 to 3006, there is a slight L or R deviaton that isn't just the wind.
Goes without saying that changing bullet weight means starting at square one.
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Maybe this is stupid, but why ar15's called poodle shooters? Did someone get caught killing a poodle with an ar?
Assuming this is not a set up to go with your name, it's a sleight on the diminutive caliber and the platform by people who prefer a battle rifle...something like an M14 that throws 30 caliber lead downrange.
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Coyotes aren't endangered. Blast some! ;D
Regarding the 50 = 200, it's good enough to get pretty close on paper but truly zeroed for 200 means shooting at 200 IMHO.
For my guns, all platforms from 223 to 3006, there is a slight L or R deviaton that isn't just the wind.
Goes without saying that changing bullet weight means starting at square one.
Got a note last week from my son at the MCRD San Diego. They went to Pendleton for rifle testing. Their targets - with the M-16A2 mind you - required qualifications at 300, 400 and 500 yards. The 5.56 round may have its limitations - and it does IMHO - but I'm not even sure I could see a target at 500 yards! 8)
He scored 214 - Sharpshooter, 6 points from Expert. He has a goal now for next year when he has to requalify.
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Coyotes aren't endangered. Blast some! ;D
Regarding the 50 = 200, it's good enough to get pretty close on paper but truly zeroed for 200 means shooting at 200 IMHO.
For my guns, all platforms from 223 to 3006, there is a slight L or R deviaton that isn't just the wind.
Goes without saying that changing bullet weight means starting at square one.
Never thought about it, but it seems you would be correct.
It would take absolutely perfect alignment of of the sight line with the plane of the bore to not have an inaccuracy.
Even a .0001 of an inch left or right inaccurate drift of the rear sight would become noticeable at longer ranges.
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Got a note last week from my son at the MCRD San Diego. They went to Pendleton for rifle testing. Their targets - with the M-16A2 mind you - required qualifications at 300, 400 and 500 yards. The 5.56 round may have its limitations - and it does IMHO - but I'm not even sure I could see a target at 500 yards! 8)
He scored 214 - Sharpshooter, 6 points from Expert. He has a goal now for next year when he has to requalify.
I assume he is training with the full length M-16 RIFLE, not the M-4 Carbine. We had a guy in my platoon who shot a perfect 10 for 10 at 500 yards.
I can still see the target at 500, if I wear my glasses ;D
Your Son is almost there Path, barring injury it's pretty much all down hill after the rifle range.
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Don't some shooters competing for the Porter Trophy at Camp Perry shoot AR's at 1000yds? I know there are several different 'cups' at the matches for service rifles, but I was thinking that three was at least one with AR's at 1000....
That's a long way for a little bullet to stay true to it's path.
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I was taught in the military to zero at 25 yards for hits out to 250 yards. But there are different strokes for different folks. But all in all a good video.
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I was taught in the military to zero at 25 yards for hits out to 250 yards. But there are different strokes for different folks. But all in all a good video.
I was taught the same with the M14 using standard ball rounds.
What happens is that at 25 yds, the trajectory goes from below the sight line to above it, it continues above it until 250 yrds where it falls below the sight line again.
Under 25 yds, you will shoot very slightly low, between 25 and 250, you will be shooting high and past 250 yds, you will be shooting low again.
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I was taught the same with the M14 using standard ball rounds.
What happens is that at 25 yds, the trajectory goes from below the sight line to above it, it continues above it until 250 yrds where it falls below the sight line again.
Under 25 yds, you will soot very slightly low, between 25 and 250, you will shooting high and past 250 yds, you will be shooting low again.
you are correct sir.
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Just a question. Why are they called French Poodles when they are a German dog? And why are pommes frites called French fries (or "Freedom Fries" if you are too stupid to be allowed outside without adult supervision ::)) when they are actually Belgian? How did the Frogs get away with swiping a tasty treat and what is actually a pretty good breed of dog if you don't poof it up at a dog groomer (and who uses one of those btw?). It seems to me the French have gotten a free pass on ripping off other peole's stuff. Again. ;)
FQ13
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To follow up on FQ's theme, what's the deal with French Toast ?
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To follow up on FQ's theme, what's the deal with French Toast ?
Since you asked.....a reposting, but enjoyable
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To follow up on FQ's theme, what's the deal with French Toast ?
I actually dated a girl who had a poodle named Toast. I thought it was funny as hell, and I asked her out on the spot. She wasn't the most attractive woman I've ever gone out with, but my instincts were right. Just for the younger forum members, here is a word of advice: If she has a twisted sense of humor, she will be a LOT of fun in sack. 8)
FQ13
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Hey, I had a poodle when I was a kid!
My Dad taught her to flush game too, not a bad mutt either! We never cut her to the foo-foo clip either, she just looked like a Motown poodle, afro'd out!
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Since a 100yd range is the most convenient for me, I just set them to shoot 1.5" high at 100yd. Should be pretty close on at 200.
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And what exactly is a fighting quaker. ? I thought they were a society of religious zelots who were pacifists .
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And what exactly is a fighting quaker. ? I thought they were a society of religious zelots who were pacifists .
Well, zealots is a bit too extreme a word. It implies aggressions. Granted Mary Dwyer was hanged by the Puritans on Boston Common (proving that the whole "they came to America seeking religious freedom" was a load of crap. Freedom for me, but not for thee was more like it). OK Quaker rant over...... :-[ Here's the deal, the Quaker's are a Dissenting Protestant sect like the Mennonites and Amish, only English not Dutch or German. Bottom line they are about equality, no titles or oaths (which is why the Constitution says you may swear OR affirm, and traditionally those objecting to the mandatory pledge have been devoutly Christian people who did so for exactly that reason, which the boneheaded politically religious right chooses to ignore. ::)). Quakers are also about simplicity, which means, eschewing the outward trappings of wealth. They also are about pacifism, or at least non aggression (there is debate here and you know where I fall in). The bottom line is this. The best of us are infected with original sin and the worst of us were made in the image of God and so to kill a man is to kill God.
Me: well, I'm an Episcopalian. I just taught at a Quaker school long enough to have developed a very deep respect for them and their principles. They are good people, good Christians, and good neighbors. The tag line? Its from the Earlham College football team. Back in the day it used to be "Quakers fight! Quakers fight! Kill, Quakers, Kill!". They've gotten more PC these days, but I thought it was funny as hell.
FQ13 who did in fact teach peace studies (that's what you fall back on when the second mag is empty and you've lost your spyderco, although I phrased it differently during the job talk). ;D
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Actually, even though the tenets of the sect call for pacifism unto death, (this is why they are wrong ) various Qaukers have in fact had a major role in America's military history.
The original "Fighting Quaker" was a Revolutionary war General, (I'm not using references, I THINK it was Nathaniel Greene ) Humphreys , who designed the Navy's first 6 Frigates was also a Quaker, He was nearly run out of Philadelphia by the "Society of Friends" (another name for Quakers ) because he was designing implements of war.
Smedley Butler, rose to the rank of General in the US Marine Corps, in the process winning 2 Congressional Medals of Honor.
Ever see the movie "55 Days at Peking" ? He was the guy along on the Legation wall all night holding of the Boxers.
Then of course there was the most famous Quaker of them all, who "was NOT a crook". ;D
Yes I mean former Navy JAG Officer Richard M. Nixon, who proffessed to have been raised as a Quaker.
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Actually, even though the tenets of the sect call for pacifism unto death, (this is why they are wrong ) various Qaukers have in fact had a major role in America's military history.
The original "Fighting Quaker" was a Revolutionary war General, (I'm not using references, I THINK it was Nathaniel Greene ) Humphreys , who designed the Navy's first 6 Frigates was also a Quaker, He was nearly run out of Philadelphia by the "Society of Friends" (another name for Quakers ) because he was designing implements of war.
Smedley Butler, rose to the rank of General in the US Marine Corps, in the process winning 2 Congressional Medals of Honor.
Ever see the movie "55 Days at Peking" ? He was the guy along on the Legation wall all night holding of the Boxers.
Then of course there was the most famous Quaker of them all, who "was NOT a crook". ;D
Yes I mean former Navy JAG Officer Richard M. Nixon, who proffessed to have been raised as a Quaker.
Nice roll call Tom, but you forgot Herbert Hoover and Ben Franklin.(They are proud of one of them). ;D
FQ13
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I left them both out because neither ever served in the Military, although Franklin's son , a renowned Tory, and Royal Governor of Pa. held a colonels commission in the Militia.
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I left them both out because neither ever served in the Military, although Franklin's son , a renowned Tory, and Royal Governor of Pa. held a colonels commission in the Militia.
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html)
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"pacifism unto death". Now THAT'S funny! ;D
When times get hard, I wanna meet a camp full of believers in that. ;D ;D ;D
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html)
FTA;
"Franklin had helped General Braddock the year before, so when news arrived of new raids by the French and Indians in the 70 mile stretch of frontier from Bethlehem to Reading, the Pennsylvania Colony’s governor, Robert Morris, felt obliged to turn to him to bolster the frontier. With scant military training, Franklin nonetheless became the most senior military leader in a critical part of British America.
Accompanying Franklin as aide-de-camp was his 25-year-old son, William, who had served in King George’s War as a teenager and also helped supply Braddock eight months earlier. William, who was more adept at military arts than his father, assisted Franklin significantly. The two would later drift apart (William became an Anglophile and Tory during the Revolution), but now father and son worked hand in glove controlling the troops, building fortifications and warding off attack.
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I stand corrected. Thanks Rastus.
"pacifism unto death". Now THAT'S funny! ;D
When times get hard, I wanna meet a camp full of believers in that. ;D ;D ;D
As I noted, this is where their philosophy is flawed. The Bible's Commandment , "Thou shall not kill", when viewed in conjunction with the passage, "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live", the several passages prescribing death as punishment, and the quote "God is not the father of confusion" is generally accepted to be a proscription against murder. Even Under English Common law, it was accepted that if you willingly allowed some one else to commit a crime, in spite of having the means to prevent it then you incurred a certain amount of responsibility.
Therefore, if you stand idly by and allow murder to be done, even your own, you are in fact violating the commandment.
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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html)
Cool. Learn sumpin' ev'ry day on here.
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Very cool find Rastus. That was a really well written account. I knew he'd served, but I never heard the details before.
Thanks
Fq13
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"pacifism unto death". Now THAT'S funny! ;D
When times get hard, I wanna meet a camp full of believers in that. ;D ;D ;D
Meet 'em? ? ? I want them between me and the bad guys!!!!! ;D
Might slow the BG's down a bit .. . . . ;)