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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #140 on: October 15, 2011, 03:33:20 PM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on October 15, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
They can't blame civilian gun stores or laws for the RPG's and heavy machine guns.
But they'll sure give it hell trying! >:(
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #141 on: October 15, 2011, 05:22:17 PM »
Quote from: tombogan03884 on October 15, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
They can't blame civilian gun stores or laws for the RPG's and heavy machine guns.

Oh, but they do!  Yes it's dishonest (I'm shocked, shocked I tell you) but it is fed to the press that way all the time.

Hell, I've known about the grenade story for a few days and I have already read where people (journalists, bloggers, etc) have said "You shouldn't be able to buy grenade parts over the counter".  I'm not sure if the meant an FFL counter or one at Wally World but that is what they said!
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #142 on: October 15, 2011, 05:42:39 PM »
This ms-information about grenade parts probably started with someone noticing the pin on a grenade looks a lot like a cotter pin you can buy in any hardware store...thus the push more more regulation...sigh
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #143 on: October 15, 2011, 06:32:18 PM »
Don't forget, ATF, had a BIG budgetary increase under BHO,...and "stimulus" money paid for the current SNAFU.....so pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.....

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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #144 on: October 15, 2011, 06:44:05 PM »
Actually you can buy the fuses in smoke grenades, not sure of the regulations, but they are signaling devices, not weapons or explosives. Then there are the "dummy" grenades you can buy mail order as paper weights that are nothing but chunks of steel.
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #145 on: October 15, 2011, 08:11:28 PM »
Tom, if I remember correctly the fuses for smoke grenades don't have a delay to them, so once you pull the pin and release the spoon it goes BOOM!! not real good for the person throwing it. :o :o
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #146 on: October 15, 2011, 08:19:56 PM »
Quote from: Majer on October 15, 2011, 08:11:28 PM
Tom, if I remember correctly the fuses for smoke grenades don't have a delay to them, so once you pull the pin and release the spoon it goes BOOM!! not real good for the person throwing it. :o :o

Hmmm...we should some live grenades with those fuses fall into the wrong  hands....or the right hands, however you want to view them.
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #147 on: October 16, 2011, 12:53:52 AM »
Quote from: Solus on October 15, 2011, 08:19:56 PM
Hmmm...we should some live grenades with those fuses fall into the wrong  hands....or the right hands, however you want to view them.

The old Soviet grenades came packed with a selection of various fuse times, including a 0 delay for setting booby traps.
The delay was stamped on the fuse body, but you really wanted to lay off the vodka if you were going to be arming them.
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