Universal Background Checks - negotiations are stalled

[tombogan03884]

You dumb asses seem to think this is some sort of gentlemanly debate, such as .45 vs 9MM.
Wake up you stupid ba$tards.
You have been in a fight for your damned country for 40 years and you've been to stupid and complacent to see it.
You haven't said anything as the "war on drugs" eroded your rights, you haven't said anything as the socialists in the education industry brainwashed the young, You grumble a little bit when the media become nothing but a propaganda arm of the CPUSA, but only because it cut into the sports reports.
The 2nd Amendment is the last line of defense for free men, I don't care what course cowards take, in fact I spit on them.
As for me, give me Liberty or Death.

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[MikeBjerum]

We can talk about how Universal Background Checks are safe if you have nothing to hide.  However, both sides admit that there is no way for Universal Background Checks to be affective without a firearm registry.

Today we have a Bill going through Minnesota that is backed by many gun groups, including Twin Cities Gun Owners & Carry Forum, and the National Rifle Association had a hand in it.  This Bill strengthens punishment for those involved with crimes with guns, including straw purchases, and it strengthens the reporting of information for background checks.

I have almost been suckered into this, but then I sleep on it and come back to my stance:  Vote No on all new gun control measures!  The system is not working, so there why should we keep piecemeal amending it?  I have told my legislators that they only Yes vote is a vote to repeal controls.  FBI records show that none of the controls have clearly worked.  1968 to present the controls went into affect, and in 2004 one came off, and there is no measurable response one way or another.  The 1934 Act shows a drastic drop, but this Bill was focused on organized crime and included many other actions to curb violence - Much like we are calling for now "Enforce the laws on the books rather than adding new ineffective laws."

[Solus]

I am never for any compromise that gives more controls, but am willing to accept "compromise" that only reduces controls (sorry, Tom).

If we cannot get NICS repealed and we are going to continue to have a check at purchase, then having a system that does not allow any record of who makes the purchase and leaves no possibility for a gun registry should be what we try for.

I suggested this alternative earlier in this thread and it didn't meet with much favor...but I'll mention it again..

It is the BIDS system (Blind Identification Database System).  Here is a short description of how it would work.

BIDS does an equal job of preventing prohibited possessors from buying guns. It costs far less -- totally eliminates the expensive call centers. Reduces downtime and delays legitimate dealers and customers must now endure. And it cannot make lists of buyers. Dealers simply reference the encrypted password-protected prohibited possessor list on their local computers with simple volatile search tools, offline. It's like using a computerized yellow pages. The list itself is updated constantly, as it is now.

[Jrlobo]

Tom is right, not only no more compromise but also a complete rollback of anti-gun laws on the books. I disagree with Tom on the need for armed rebellion now. We should, however, go on the legislative offensive to permanently rollback anti-gun legislation at all levels (federal, state, local) and place any such considerations withing the Constitutional process. That process is torturous AND consistent with our founding principles. Save the armed rebellion for last at the time the American people are behind us. In my opinion, we just ignore all the other laws.

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[JC5123]

Tom is right, not only no more compromise but also a complete rollback of anti-gun laws on the books. I disagree with Tom on the need for armed rebellion now. We should, however, go on the legislative offensive to permanently rollback anti-gun legislation at all levels (federal, state, local) and place any such considerations withing the Constitutional process. That process is torturous AND consistent with our founding principles. Save the armed rebellion for last at the time the American people are behind us. In my opinion, we just ignore all the other laws.

You'll never have "the American people" behind you. That would require education and effort on their part. Remember 3%. IF you get that much support, you're lucky. However I do agree with no more compromise. I posed this question elsewhere, but how exactly do you compromise with those who want to take EVERYTHING. You can't. Besides that, every time we have compromised, they just come back and say it's not enough, and want more.

[Solus]

Tom is right, not only no more compromise but also a complete rollback of anti-gun laws on the books. I disagree with Tom on the need for armed rebellion now. We should, however, go on the legislative offensive to permanently rollback anti-gun legislation at all levels (federal, state, local) and place any such considerations withing the Constitutional process. That process is torturous AND consistent with our founding principles. Save the armed rebellion for last at the time the American people are behind us. In my opinion, we just ignore all the other laws.

Jrlobo, I guess I need to ask you to clarify what you mean by compromise.

Do you mean that you will not support and would be against any lessening of restrictions or restoration of freedom short of the entire rollback during our push for it all?