do not buy one of THOSE guns

[warhawke]

As it turns out a guy on another forum I'm made this list up just to stir up stuff on the net. I just found this out by accident a little while ago. I took him to task over it.

Thanks for the encouragement Tom but Sam Colt lived in a country where;
"If you build a better mousetrap, the world shall beat a path to your door"
I live in a world where;
"If you build a better mousetrap, the Mousetrap Manufactures Association will call their lobbyists and get the Federal Trade Commission to sue you for unfair trading practices and the Media will do an expose funded by PETA showing you as a mass-murderer who is destroying poor oppressed rodent-beings for your own selfish profit"

Of course, I might just be a tiny bit cynical.

[tombogan03884]

SanJuanCB, the question was about the M 14 Haz carried, I should have made that clear but since he was the one busting my chops I sort of forgot about the rest of you, Sorry  .
I have to point out about your post though that NONE of the countries listed issue the M 14 as their primary arm most if not all are semi auto, and used for special purposes, such as DM's Snipers and (I can think of no more degrading end for a rifle) line launching, the USN uses the M14 in this capacity as well.
The Chinese never used the M 14 the Norinco version was initially built for export to the US civilian market, and was about what you would expect from a pirated copy, although their 1911 has a better reputation, based on the one I had it was not deserved.

As it turns out a guy on another forum I'm made this list up just to stir up stuff on the net. I just found this out by accident a little while ago. I took him to task over it.

Thanks for the encouragement Tom but Sam Colt lived in a country where;
"If you build a better mousetrap, the world shall beat a path to your door"
I live in a world where;
"If you build a better mousetrap, the Mousetrap Manufactures Association will call their lobbyists and get the Federal Trade Commission to sue you for unfair trading practices and the Media will do an expose funded by PETA showing you as a mass-murderer who is destroying poor oppressed rodent-beings for your own selfish profit"

Of course, I might just be a tiny bit cynical.

Warhawk, part of the reason Old Sam went broke the first time, this happened to a couple others as well, is that the world was perfectly happy with the mouse traps they were familiar with, Sam, Gatling, Maxim and other successful designers had to cram their mousetraps down peoples throats in order to get the initial large contracts. Sam Colt was notorious for giving presentation revolvers to people who might be able to help with marketing, and Maxim never did get a US contract, ALL his sales were to foreign Govts. In WWI when Hiram Maxim ( born and raised in Wells Maine) died, the British, Germans , and Russians were slaughtering each other with Machine guns, ALL were license built Maxims.

[sanjuancb]

Haha...gotcha. Tunnel vision with text? lol

The point I was making is that the rifle is far from obsolete and is functional, especially in it's niche.

I looked up the Estonian version and I like it a lot!

[tombogan03884]

Haha...gotcha. Tunnel vision with text? lol

The point I was making is that the rifle is far from obsolete and is functional, especially in it's niche.

I looked up the Estonian version and I like it a lot!

Haha...gotcha. Tunnel vision with text? lol

The point I was making is that the rifle is far from obsolete and is functional, especially in it's niche.

I looked up the Estonian version and I like it a lot!

I'll google it, but could you post a link ?
We are technologically savvy, with greater experience and (Presumably) skill levels than the average military recruit, we are not likely to be staging assaults on prepared positions or getting ambushed, with that in mind, the M 1 A is an excellent rifle for us. with an optional 5 round magazine (depending on state game law round restrictions ) it is suitable for any use WE would have for a .308 . The only qualification I would add to that is I don't like the idea of scoping an action directly over the ejection port, for scoped rifles I would prefer an AR or HK type ejection location, I realize that MANY M21's are in service, and working well but that's my little prejudice. 

[sanjuancb]

http://www.sodur.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24&Itemid=34

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[tombogan03884]

Thanks, Interesting stock design.

[PegLeg45]

Mini-14 would look good wearing one of those stocks.

[DesertMarine]

Good reading on the M14.  As a Marine infantryman (MOS 0311) I carried an M1Garand, M14 and M16.  Never did like the M14, never could get used to it, uncontrollable in full-auto.  On full-auto the M14, probably hit the first round and next two, punching holes in the sky.  As far as weight is concerned, watched one guy once with an FN type rifle shooting full-auto, first round on target, next one about 3 foot high and third at least five foot high.  BAR was great but to be accurate you had to be prone, with bipod and hold it down.  Never felt the M14 to be as accurate as a Garand but I only carried the M14 for a year.  Maybe with more time could learn and like it.  At first did not like the M16 but got to know the rifle and enough that I have an AR.  Used the M16 as a Marine infantry/recon and federal officer.  As far as caliber is concerned, I'll take the .308.