Some Iowa Sheriffs Have Their Undies In A Bunch Over New Shall Issue Law

[PegLeg45]

As most of you know, I was a general contractor that spealized in 100+ year old homes.

The old saying they don't make them like they use too, Is a very, very good thing trust me.  Yes every one was drunk back them, thats why alot of the work was complete and utter crap.

Not disagreeing with you at all....but I've seen some 10 year old houses built like crap too.   

[tombogan03884]

If you ignore the media hysteria you will most likely find that the law has nothing to do with long guns which generally come under hunting regulations rather than "carry" laws.
For example, In Maine, with a CCW you can legally carry a loaded pistol any time, any where (Except Federal buildings etc. ) However, They do not permit hunting on Sundays, if a Game warden finds you with a rifle , even unloaded, in the woods on Sunday, or with out a hunting license it is considered Prima Facie evidence of illegal hunting, SD and carry regulations never enter the picture.

[tt11758]

Alot of what he said is true.  Rather you like it or lot does not make it less true.

Carrying a long gun over your shoulder is going to scare some people, thats never going to change, get use to it.


honestly, is there anyone here that disagrees with that statement?

When gays began openly marching for gay rights, "really disturbed a lot of people".  Those who were disturbed by it were told to "get used to it, we have our rights".  How is this different TAB?

While I will say that I have no plans to walk down Main Street, Iowa with a loaded rifle slung over my shoulder, "shall not be infringed" gives me that right.

Carrying a long gun over your shoulder is going to scare some people

Show me where the Constitution guarantees somebody's right to not be scared.  Hell, if it was in there, the government would be eradicating spiders from my house cause they scare the hell out of the wife.

Try to use rational arguments, and stay away from emotion.  The anti's use it because it's all they have.  Don't lower yourself to their level.

[tt11758]

If you ignore the media hysteria you will most likely find that the law has nothing to do with long guns which generally come under hunting regulations rather than "carry" laws.
For example, In Maine, with a CCW you can legally carry a loaded pistol any time, any where (Except Federal buildings etc. ) However, They do not permit hunting on Sundays, if a Game warden finds you with a rifle , even unloaded, in the woods on Sunday, or with out a hunting license it is considered Prima Facie evidence of illegal hunting, SD and carry regulations never enter the picture.

The new Iowa law doesn't distinguish between handguns, long guns, knives, tasers, etc, when it comes to legal carry of a weapon.  That being said, the law is set up for DNR regulations to trump carry permit laws.  So, if you're carrying a gun (handgun, shotung, rifle, etc) during deer bow hunting season you'll get your pee-pee slapped by the DNR.  Likewise, if you're carrying a loaded, uncased shot gun in your vehicle in the country during pheasant season, the Game Warden will want a word with you.

The bottom line here, in my opinion, is common sense.  Apparently certain of Iowa's Sheriffs don't believe their constituents have any.

[TAB]

Not disagreeing with you at all....but I've seen some 10 year old houses built like crap too.   

SO have I, but atleast they know what 16" on center is when it comes to studs or atleast close too it.

Its not uncommon at all to open up a wall and find studs every where from 8"-36" center in the same damn wall.

I can count on one hand the houses I've remodeled that frame was structurally sound.  All the others its either rot or plain bad carpentry.  Most of the time it was a wonder they were still standing.  Hell I even hired one SE one time that went into the basement to get measurements for drawings.  He came back out in about 2 mins and said he refused to go back under there as he was a afriad the house was going to colapse on him.


PS yes I did fire his ass on the spot.  

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[TAB]

When gays began openly marching for gay rights, "really disturbed a lot of people".  Those who were disturbed by it were told to "get used to it, we have our rights".  How is this different TAB?

They are not even close.  

Who said anything about me saying it should be illegal?

all I said was the Cheif was right on a few points.

Like it or not carrying around a long gun is going to scare some people. Which will lead to probs, trust me, sooner or latter some one is going to make a big stink about it. 
The qoute about the 1st thing going is judgement when booze is envoled is also true.  

Just becuase you don't agree with something, does not make it less true.


One more thing, shall not be infringed does not mean what you think it means.  At the federal level, the 2a means you can have a gun at the ready in your home, for both sporting and SD.  Like it or not, thats what courts have ruled and thats what will be enforced.  States have diffrent rules, but they all must comply to atleast that.

[tt11758]

They are not even close.  

Who said anything about me saying it should be illegal?

all I said was the Cheif was right on a few points.

Like it or not carrying around a long gun is going to scare some people. Which will lead to probs, trust me, sooner or latter some one is going to make a big stink about it. 
The qoute about the 1st thing going is judgement when booze is envoled is also true.  

Just becuase you don't agree with something, does not make it less true.


One more thing, shall not be infringed does not mean what you think it means.  At the federal level, the 2a means you can have a gun at the ready in your home, for both sporting and SD.  Like it or not, thats what courts have ruled and thats what will be enforced.  States have diffrent rules, but they all must comply to atleast that.

TAB, you are wrong.  However, since I'll not be changing your mind, I'll just leave you with your own words, "Just because you don't agree with something does not make it less true."

[Solus]

Seems to me the word "Compromise" is not in TAB's vocabulary.

Capitulate is as resistant as  he gets.

[tombogan03884]

As most of you know, I was a general contractor that spealized in 100+ year old homes.

The old saying they don't make them like they use too, Is a very, very good thing trust me.  Yes every one was drunk back them, thats why alot of the work was complete and utter crap.

But they were still standing, weren't they ?  
One thing I have seen in houses built during the depression or WWII era (lumber was among rationed items during WWII )
is studs, and floor joists 32 inches on center, because the builder could not get enough lumber for 16 on center.
Had a job back in the 80's putting in the missing joists, what fun       Then of course there was the Canadian 5/8ths boards.
It's part of why I got out of that crap as soon as I could.

[TAB]

TAB, you are wrong.  However, since I'll not be changing your mind, I'll just leave you with your own words, "Just because you don't agree with something does not make it less true."

Tell me how and were I am wrong.


Compromise is in my vocab, but I'm not arguing the merits or short comings of the law in question, only that the cheif is right when it comes to 2 things.  

1 guns scare some people.
2 being intoxicated decreases people abilty to make sound judgments.