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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2011, 01:15:53 PM »
It just might.

I can see the current administration burying the whole bureau to cover up Fast and Furious.  Make such a big deal it that everyone will think enough has been done to correct the situation.....Holder will be leading the charge with such vigor folks won't believe anyone could be that hypocritical...

Not to say the functions duties of the BATFE will go away, they would just be transferred to an existing agency or to a new one created for the job...and now operating with a "clean" record...no Waco, no Ruby Ridge and no Fast and Furious...just hard working ex-BATFE folks.
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2011, 01:20:32 PM »
Lets just say It is going to happen... what would most likly happen?

A few higher level guys would retire/forced out/transfered ( we all know they won't be fired)

The departments will be broken up and reorganized.

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In the end, only the name changes.

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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2011, 01:30:02 PM »
yes...they might become an arm of the FBI, adding it's power and authority to the functions of the BATFE under what ever name the new group is given..

But, politically, it will appear that the maximum corrective action has been taken.  What more could be done than disband the whole rogue agency that conducted the dreadful activity?  And the retribution was lead by Eric Holder who's Righteous Wrath destroyed those who besmirched the reputation of him and the Justice Department.

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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2011, 01:32:46 PM »
I'd actually like the A and the T to go back to the deaprtment of the treasury.


The F and the E are a little more complicated... yeah in a perfect world they could go back too, but we all know that won't happen.
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2011, 03:19:57 PM »
12:21 PM, Oct 6, 2011 • By JOHN MCCORMACK

While new evidence indicates that Attorney General Eric Holder was aware of the U.S. government's "Fast and Furious" program--which let guns fall into the hands of Mexican criminals--President Obama said today that he has "complete confidence" in Holder.

"I have complete confidence in the Attorney General Holder in how he handles his office," Obama said at a news conference today. "He has been very aggressive in going after gunrunning and cash transactions that are going to these transnational drug cartels in Mexico. There has been a lot of cooperation between the United States and Mexico on this front. He's indicated he was not aware of what was happening in Fast and Furious. Certainly I was not. And I think both he and I would have been very unhappy if somebody had suggested that guns were allowed to pass through that could have been prevented by the United States of America. He's assigned an Inspector General to look into how exactly this happened and I have complete confidence in him and I have complete confidence in the process to figure out who in fact was responsible for that decision and how it got made."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-i-have-complete-confidence-eric-holder_595102.html
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2011, 03:28:09 PM »
By Richard A. Serrano

October 5, 2011, 3:04 p.m.
Two top supervisors at ATF headquarters in Washington -- the deputy director and the assistant director for all field operations -- have been reassigned as the beleaguered agency attempts to remake itself amid the fallout from a failed gun-tracking operation along the Southwest border called Fast and Furious, according to two sources briefed on the changes.

William J. Hoover, the No. 2 man at ATF, will become special agent-in-charge of the agency's Washington field office, while Mark Chait, who ran all of the field investigations around the country, is being reassigned as head of the Baltimore field office.

Thomas Brandon, who was sent to Phoenix to run the field office there and help it recover from the repercussions of Fast and Furious, will be taking Hoover's spot as deputy director.

The new assignments, along with other job changes, were announced today by Todd Jones, the U.S. attorney in Minneapolis who was named acting head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this year. He succeeded ATF chief Kenneth Melson, who was reassigned to a lower-level position in the Justice Department.

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Hoover had broad supervision over Fast and Furious, was given routine updates on the "gun walking" operation, and grew concerned over the number of firearms getting into Mexico without any U.S. indictments on this side of the border.

He tried to get it shut down six months after it began in the fall of 2009. But he failed, and the program continued until January of this year. During that time, a U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed in Arizona and two Fast and Furious weapons were recovered at the scene.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-atf-personnel-20111005,0,6002965.story
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2011, 04:28:03 PM »
We'll see how this holds up in the coming hearings this Fall, and continuing investigations through next year.....When the heat gets too hot for BHO,....

Holder will be thrown under the bus. Perhaps, the whole lot of them can be impeached or forced to resign.

Oh, pay attention to this "leetle move" to have BHO's records sealed......

I wonder why they would want that?

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/05/democrats-introduce-bill-to-seal-up-obamas-presidential-records/#comment-124543

Democrats Introduce Bill to Seal Up Obama’s Presidential Records


According to Judicial Watch, Rep. Edolphous Towns (D-NY) has introduced the Presidential Records Act Amendments of 2011. That bill would do with Obama’s presidential records what Obama has already done to his personal and collegiate records: Seal them up.

    In an obvious effort to protect President Barack Obama, a group of congressional Democrats has introduced legislation to create an official process that will allow the commander-in-chief to keep presidential records secret after he leaves office.


    Ironically, Obama revoked a similar George W. Bush order in one of his first official acts as president. In 2001 Bush penned an executive order severely limiting public access to his presidential records. Shortly after swearing in, Obama killed it as part of his much-ballyhooed commitment to government transparency. At the time, the new president claimed that he was giving the American people greater access to “historic documents.”


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    If the Democrats’ proposed measure (Presidential Records Act Amendments of 2011) becomes law, former presidents will be allowed to assert a new “constitutionally based privilege” against disclosing records of their liking. Here is how it would work; the Archivist of the United States would be required to notify the former president, as well as the incumbent, of intentions to make records public. Anything that either the former or current president claims should be kept private won’t be released.

    The veteran Brooklyn congressman (Edolphus Towns) who recently introduced the law in the U.S. House has yet to explain why it’s necessary.

This looks like a sign of surrender to me. Why seal up Obama’s records now, if you think he’s strong to get re-elected next year?

And, how many Solyndras and executive directives to punish various enemies may be lurking in those records?



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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2011, 06:46:09 PM »
I mentioned this  before.  They are spinning everything they can and MOST of the MSM is abetting them.
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Re: Operation Fast & Furious
« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2011, 06:46:16 PM »
Videos at links


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46637

Flashback to November 2, 2008. Remember this guy?

If you don't, that is King Samir Shabazz, a member of the New Black Panther Party. He, along with fellow NBPPer Jerry Jackson, were accused of old-fashioned voter intimidation at a Philadelphia polling place on Election Day 2008. After the election, the Justice Department brought a voter-intimidation case against the NBPP and that's where J. Christian Adams comes in. Adams and his DoJ colleagues began building the case but, before they could collect enough evidence, the superiors in the Justice Department told he and his colleagues to drop the case.

As Adams said in a Washington Times op/ed, the 'dismissal of the Black Panther case was motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law.' Adams resigned his position after the shenanigans from DoJ came to light.

Now out with his new book  Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department, Adams sat down with me to discuss what happened on Election Day and how the DoJ did their best to cover it up as soon as the story started to break...

Plus, as Andrew Breitbart is reporting over at Big Government, some pictures that were originally meant to be published in Injustice, obtained by Breitbart, show President Obama at a rally in Selma, Ala. in 2008 marching with NBPP leader Malik Zulu Shabazz. This was also the same Malik Zulu Shabazz whose name was on the White House visitor log in July of 2009. In the words of Desi Arnaz, someone has "got a lot of 'splainin' to do!"

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46664

Oh, what a tangled web that DoJ weaves, huh? In part one, J. Christian Adams, author of  Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department informed us that, when the NBPP case broke, the lawyers within DoJ put the kibosh on the case as fast as they could so Fox News wouldn't find out! Now, Christian is back. This time, he's talking about why Eric Holder stepped in, and also talks about the term 'racialist,' and why the DoJ is filled with individuals that subscribe to this way of thinking.

 

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