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And what exactly is a fighting quaker. ? I thought they were a society of religious zelots who were pacifists .

[fightingquaker13]

And what exactly is a fighting quaker. ? I thought they were a society of religious zelots who were pacifists .

Well, zealots is a bit too extreme a word. It implies aggressions. Granted Mary Dwyer was hanged  by the Puritans on Boston Common (proving that the whole "they came to America seeking religious freedom" was a load of crap. Freedom for me, but not for thee was more like it). OK Quaker rant over...... Here's the deal, the Quaker's are a Dissenting Protestant sect like the Mennonites and Amish, only English not Dutch or German. Bottom line they are about equality, no titles or oaths (which is why the Constitution says you may swear OR affirm, and traditionally those objecting to the mandatory pledge have been devoutly Christian people who did so for exactly that reason, which the boneheaded politically religious right chooses to ignore. ). Quakers are also about simplicity, which means, eschewing the outward trappings of wealth. They also are about pacifism, or at least non aggression (there is debate here and you know where I fall in). The bottom line is this. The best of us are infected with original sin and the worst of us were made in the image of God and so to kill a man is to kill God.  
Me: well, I'm an Episcopalian. I just taught at a Quaker school long enough to have developed a very deep respect for them and their principles. They are good people, good Christians, and good neighbors.  The tag line? Its from the Earlham College  football team. Back in the day it used to be "Quakers fight! Quakers fight! Kill, Quakers, Kill!". They've gotten more PC these days, but I thought it was funny as hell.
FQ13 who did in fact  teach peace studies (that's what you fall back on when the second mag is empty and you've lost your spyderco, although I phrased it differently during the job talk).

[tombogan03884]

Actually, even though the tenets of the sect call for pacifism unto death, (this is why they are wrong ) various Qaukers have in fact had a major role in America's military history.
The original "Fighting Quaker" was a Revolutionary war General, (I'm not using references, I THINK it was Nathaniel Greene ) Humphreys , who designed the Navy's first 6 Frigates was also a Quaker, He was nearly run out of Philadelphia by the "Society of Friends" (another name for Quakers ) because he was designing implements of war.
Smedley Butler, rose to the rank of General in the US Marine Corps, in the process winning 2 Congressional Medals of Honor.
Ever see the movie "55 Days at Peking" ? He was the guy along on the Legation wall all night holding of the Boxers.
Then of course there was the most famous Quaker of them all, who "was NOT a crook". 
 Yes I mean former Navy JAG Officer Richard M. Nixon, who proffessed to have been raised as a Quaker.

[fightingquaker13]

Actually, even though the tenets of the sect call for pacifism unto death, (this is why they are wrong ) various Qaukers have in fact had a major role in America's military history.
The original "Fighting Quaker" was a Revolutionary war General, (I'm not using references, I THINK it was Nathaniel Greene ) Humphreys , who designed the Navy's first 6 Frigates was also a Quaker, He was nearly run out of Philadelphia by the "Society of Friends" (another name for Quakers ) because he was designing implements of war.
Smedley Butler, rose to the rank of General in the US Marine Corps, in the process winning 2 Congressional Medals of Honor.
Ever see the movie "55 Days at Peking" ? He was the guy along on the Legation wall all night holding of the Boxers.
Then of course there was the most famous Quaker of them all, who "was NOT a crook". 
 Yes I mean former Navy JAG Officer Richard M. Nixon, who proffessed to have been raised as a Quaker.

Nice roll call Tom, but you forgot Herbert Hoover and Ben Franklin.(They are proud of one of them).
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

I left them both out because neither ever served in the Military, although Franklin's son , a renowned Tory, and Royal Governor of Pa. held a colonels commission in the Militia.

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[Rastus]

I left them both out because neither ever served in the Military, although Franklin's son , a renowned Tory, and Royal Governor of Pa. held a colonels commission in the Militia.

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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html

[Badgersmilk]

"pacifism unto death".  Now THAT'S funny!   

When times get hard, I wanna meet a camp full of believers in that.   

[tombogan03884]

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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html

FTA;

"Franklin had helped General Braddock the year before, so when news arrived of new raids by the French and Indians in the 70 mile stretch of frontier from Bethlehem to Reading, the Pennsylvania Colony’s governor, Robert Morris, felt obliged to turn to him to bolster the frontier. With scant military training, Franklin nonetheless became the most senior military leader in a critical part of British America.

Accompanying Franklin as aide-de-camp was his 25-year-old son, William, who had served in King George’s War as a teenager and also helped supply Braddock eight months earlier. William, who was more adept at military arts than his father, assisted Franklin significantly. The two would later drift apart (William became an Anglophile and Tory during the Revolution), but now father and son worked hand in glove controlling the troops, building fortifications and warding off attack.
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   I stand corrected.  Thanks Rastus.

"pacifism unto death".  Now THAT'S funny!   

When times get hard, I wanna meet a camp full of believers in that.   

As I noted, this is where their philosophy is flawed. The Bible's Commandment , "Thou shall not kill", when viewed in conjunction with the passage, "Thou shall not suffer a witch to live", the several passages prescribing death as punishment, and the quote "God is not the father of confusion" is generally accepted to be a proscription against murder. Even Under English Common law, it was accepted that if you willingly allowed some one else to commit a crime, in spite of having the means to prevent it then you incurred a certain amount of responsibility.
Therefore, if you stand idly by and allow murder to be done, even your own, you are in fact violating the commandment.

[PegLeg45]

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http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/When-Ben-Franklin-Met-the-Battlefield.html

Cool. Learn sumpin' ev'ry day on here.

[fightingquaker13]

Very cool find Rastus. That was a really well written account. I knew he'd served, but I never heard the details before.
Thanks
Fq13