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AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« on: October 17, 2011, 07:01:27 AM »
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11513

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In an astonishing admission, Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress that a lack of gun control was to blame for the government selling guns to Mexican drug cartels.

Holder sent a letter to Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles Grassley, ranking member of the Committee on the Judiciary, regarding recent revelations he was briefed on Operation Fast and Furious much earlier than he told Congress.

Operation Fast and Furious was a plan by government officials to permit illegal aliens to purchase and take weapons across the border. Once the guns crossed the border, agents often lost track of them. The guns have since been found to have been used in several crimes in the U.S., resulting in at least one death, border patrol agent Brian Terry.

In May, Holder appeared before Congress. At that time he was asked specifically when he first heard about Fast and Furious. Holder responded, “I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

Recently released documents reveal that Holder received memos referring to the program in July, 2010.  A July 5 memo said, “Operation Fast and Furious” involved a “firearms trafficking ring.”

Holder downplayed his Congressional testimony and claimed he misunderstood the question.

After being challenged by Issa for his answer, Holder fired off a letter to Congress claiming that he had never read the memos, and it was the responsibility of his staff to brief him on what they considered important.

Holder then went on to say that the reason the ATF was unable to prevent the weapons from being sold to the cartels was a lack of gun control and registration.

“ATF witnesses testified before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that the agency’s ability to stem the flow of guns from the United States into Mexico is severely impaired by a lack of effective law enforcement tools.”  Holder said, “For example, a number of witnesses indicated that current penalties for illegal straw purchases are inadequate to deter such activity or to include cooperation with law enforcement authorities after a violation is detected. Likewise, the lack of reporting requirements for multiple long gun purchases in a short period of time hindered law enforcement efforts to combat gun trafficking.”

During the operation, gun dealers contacted government officials with concerns over the number of purchases some illegals were making. They were told by ATF officials to let the sales go through.

Luke O’Dell, Director of Operations for the National Association for Gun rights, said Holder’s statement reveals the real reason the DOJ approved of Fast and Furious.

“That is the ultimate purpose of the Fast and Furious program. Obama’s Justice Department is pursuing its own political agenda rather than protect the American people.” O’Dell said, “That agenda is to restrict access and ultimately ban civilian access to all types of firearms. Remember, the administration has said ‘never let a crisis go to waste.’”

Responding to Holder’s letter, Issa fired off a terse response. While many times officials will try to be polite, using terms such as "mislead," Issa said the DOJ lied. ‘The Department of Justice has been lying to Congress ever since the inquiry into Fast and Furious began. On Feb 4, 2011, Assistant Attorney General, Ronald Weich, wrote that ‘ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transport into Mexico. This letter, vetted by both the senior ranks of ATF as well as the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, is a flat-out lie.”

Issa also made it plain that he did not believe Holder’s statement about not knowing about the program.

“The facts simply do not support any claim that Fast and Furious did not reach the highest levels of the Justice Department. Actually, Fast and Furious did reach the ultimate authority in the Department - you.”

Issa concluded saying, “Whether you realize it or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.”

Issa’s office told the Gazette that during the course of the investigation, many of the documents released by the Justice Department were heavily redacted, some to the point of being useless.

On Oct. 12, the Gazette received a copy of a subpoena sent to Holder by Issa asking for unredacted  documents for Fast and Furious or any Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) firearms trafficking case based in Phoenix, Arizona; to or from fifteen members of the Justice department, including Holder. Holder was also told to produce every single memo he received on any topic over a nearly two-year period.

For the first time, Congress is asking for information that reaches into the White House itself. The subpoena sent by Issa also demands “All communications between and among Department of Justice (DOJ) employees and Executive Office of the President employees, including, but not limited to, Associate Communications Director, Eric Schultz, referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious or any other firearms trafficking cases.”

Roll Call reported a GOP source familiar with the investigation said there was more to the request than a routine inquiry. The source said, “The question is whether the White House has been instructing the Justice Department on what [documents] to release.”

Fast and Furious has become a sore spot for the administration. A CBS reporter claimed Holder had yelled at her for daring to ask a question about the operation.

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So stringent gun control will prevent .gov from committing gun crimes?  Say what?!?   :o
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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 07:33:33 AM »
This entire administration should be doing Federal time is some PMITA prison.
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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 11:54:11 AM »
In a way he is right.

If we had total gun control in the US, they would not have needed to use F&F to try and manufacture a crisis that they could use to impose total gun control.

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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 12:01:25 PM »
This kind of "Big lie" BS is typical of Dem politicians, and is in no way even attempted by reps.
The only others with balls enough to try it were Hitler and the Communists.
It's like saying Dachau was the Jew's fault. If they hadn't been in Germany the Nazi's could not have hated them.   ::)

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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 12:31:48 PM »
The money quote:

Luke O’Dell, Director of Operations for the National Association for Gun rights, said Holder’s statement reveals the real reason the DOJ approved of Fast and Furious.
“That is the ultimate purpose of the Fast and Furious program. Obama’s Justice Department is pursuing its own political agenda rather than protect the American people.” O’Dell said, “That agenda is to restrict access and ultimately ban civilian access to all types of firearms. Remember, the administration has said ‘never let a crisis go to waste.’”
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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2011, 02:44:17 PM »
I agree we need more gun control...  we need more control over the ATF.

I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 04:00:24 PM »


What about the RPG and Grenade Control?

They own up and take responsibility for nothing.
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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 05:30:42 PM »
I say we give away a bunch of gernades and RPGs... as well as aks.

Only slightly modifed to blow up as soon as the pin is pulled/trigger pulled.
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 09:01:05 PM »
This statement proves the point that the entire Fast & Furious move was designed to set us up to lose our Second Amendment protections.
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Re: AG: Gun Control Would Have Stopped Fast And Furious
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 05:47:19 PM »
Don't worry.  We're saved!  The do have aplan to stop "Fast & Furious" :P

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/18/amendment-to-ban-funds-for-fast-and-furious-style-program-gains-democrats/?test=latestnews

Yeah.  That'll work.  There's no way they could pull an end-around on that.  ::)

 

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